Degen. $601 in bets voided, deposit refunded. SCAM

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I deposited $250 at the casino, then placed sports bets, winning 12, losing six, and losing two. Of these bets, there were also two doubles and four bets on the World Championship. A few days ago, I placed a $602 withdrawal. The withdrawal was immediately approved, but the funds didn't appear in my wallet for several hours. I contacted support, who informed me that their provider had decided to cancel my bets because they were placed on a weak line. What was the line's weakness? Are you retroactively deciding what's weak and what isn't? I bet on what I wanted, and you suggest I bet on it. Please note that this complaint only appeared after I submitted the withdrawal request, suggesting that the casino apparently simply doesn't want to pay out, citing the provider's fault. I immediately warned the casino that I would withdraw my deposit as they suggested, but then I would start filing disputes on resources I knew. Especially since when I checked the same Bitcointalk, I was surprised to find several identical complaints from other users. A dubious coincidence, don't you think? I'm attaching screenshots of the correspondence and my bets.

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Jul 07, 2026 17:30

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I deposited $250 at the casino, then placed sports bets, winning 12, losing six, and losing two. Of these bets, there were also two doubles and four bets on the World Championship. A few days ago, I placed a $602 withdrawal. The withdrawal was immediately approved, but the funds didn't appear in my wallet for several hours. I contacted support, who informed me that their provider had decided to cancel my bets because they were placed on a weak line. What was the line's weakness? Are you retroactively deciding what's weak and what isn't? I bet on what I wanted, and you suggest I bet on it. Please note that this complaint only appeared after I submitted the withdrawal request, suggesting that the casino apparently simply doesn't want to pay out, citing the provider's fault. I immediately warned the casino that I would withdraw my deposit as they suggested, but then I would start filing disputes on resources I knew. Especially since when I checked the same Bitcointalk, I was surprised to find several identical complaints from other users. A dubious coincidence, don't you think? I'm attaching screenshots of the correspondence and my bets.

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We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us, we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.

We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken. That is incorrect. The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds. This is one of several facts that will be presented as part of the ADR process.

Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.

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Jul 14, 2026 20:01

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We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us, we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.

We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken. That is incorrect. The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds. This is one of several facts that will be presented as part of the ADR process.

Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.

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[quote=degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM]
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us, we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.

We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken. That is incorrect. The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds. This is one of several facts that will be presented as part of the ADR process.

Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.

[/quote]I try to stay impartial and not take sides until all the information comes out. I seen holydarkness mention the CH investigation and decided to wait til that was concluded. I appreciate you guys responding and if a situation arises again and it's being pursued through CH, just let users know that you are responding on that platform and keep the speculation to a minimum.

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Jul 14, 2026 22:48

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Quote from: degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us, we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.

We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken. That is incorrect. The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds. This is one of several facts that will be presented as part of the ADR process.

Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.

I try to stay impartial and not take sides until all the information comes out. I seen holydarkness mention the CH investigation and decided to wait til that was concluded. I appreciate you guys responding and if a situation arises again and it's being pursued through CH, just let users know that you are responding on that platform and keep the speculation to a minimum.

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[quote=leparda on July 07, 2026, 05:30:43 PM]
I deposited $250 at the casino, then placed sports bets, winning 12, losing six, and losing two. Of these bets, there were also two doubles and four bets on the World Championship. A few days ago, I placed a $602 withdrawal. The withdrawal was immediately approved, but the funds didn't appear in my wallet for several hours. I contacted support, who informed me that their provider had decided to cancel my bets because they were placed on a weak line. What was the line's weakness? Are you retroactively deciding what's weak and what isn't? I bet on what I wanted, and you suggest I bet on it. Please note that this complaint only appeared after I submitted the withdrawal request, suggesting that the casino apparently simply doesn't want to pay out, citing the provider's fault. I immediately warned the casino that I would withdraw my deposit as they suggested, but then I would start filing disputes on resources I knew. Especially since when I checked the same Bitcointalk, I was surprised to find several identical complaints from other users. A dubious coincidence, don't you think? I'm attaching screenshots of the correspondence and my bets.
[/quote]If you wanted 100% impartiality (or as close to it as possible), why did you use the "Contest Hunters" website?

Did you know the Degen campaign manager is behind it?

[quote=degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM]
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process. 
[/quote]Was it you that notified AB de Royse777 to create the thread to investigate if the negative tag was justified? If you did not, do you know who did?

If it was you, did you intentionally ask AB de Royse777 to create the thread while you intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process. If so, why did you query the negative tag when that too could have waited until after the Contest Hunters ADR process was complete?

Having said that, I had never heard of ÂContest HuntersÂ until earlier today when it was mentioned in a recent post and then it was also mentioned that Little Mouse is behind it. Keeping in mind Little Mouse is your campaign manager (therefore the conflict of interest is right there for all to see), even though you stated it was not you that instigated the case the outcome will be interesting.

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Jul 14, 2026 23:09

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Quote from: leparda on July 07, 2026, 05:30:43 PM
I deposited $250 at the casino, then placed sports bets, winning 12, losing six, and losing two. Of these bets, there were also two doubles and four bets on the World Championship. A few days ago, I placed a $602 withdrawal. The withdrawal was immediately approved, but the funds didn't appear in my wallet for several hours. I contacted support, who informed me that their provider had decided to cancel my bets because they were placed on a weak line. What was the line's weakness? Are you retroactively deciding what's weak and what isn't? I bet on what I wanted, and you suggest I bet on it. Please note that this complaint only appeared after I submitted the withdrawal request, suggesting that the casino apparently simply doesn't want to pay out, citing the provider's fault. I immediately warned the casino that I would withdraw my deposit as they suggested, but then I would start filing disputes on resources I knew. Especially since when I checked the same Bitcointalk, I was surprised to find several identical complaints from other users. A dubious coincidence, don't you think? I'm attaching screenshots of the correspondence and my bets.

If you wanted 100% impartiality (or as close to it as possible), why did you use the "Contest Hunters" website?

Did you know the Degen campaign manager is behind it?

Quote from: degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

Was it you that notified AB de Royse777 to create the thread to investigate if the negative tag was justified? If you did not, do you know who did?

If it was you, did you intentionally ask AB de Royse777 to create the thread while you intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process. If so, why did you query the negative tag when that too could have waited until after the Contest Hunters ADR process was complete?

Having said that, I had never heard of ÂContest HuntersÂ until earlier today when it was mentioned in a recent post and then it was also mentioned that Little Mouse is behind it. Keeping in mind Little Mouse is your campaign manager (therefore the conflict of interest is right there for all to see), even though you stated it was not you that instigated the case the outcome will be interesting.

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[quote=JollyGood on July 14, 2026, 11:09:02 PM]
If you wanted 100% impartiality (or as close to it as possible), why did you use the "Contest Hunters" website?
Did you know the Degen campaign manager is behind it?

[/quote]'Little Mouse' is the owner of ContestHunters, but he doesn't take care of the dispute there. 'holydarkness' work as an independent mediator in ContestHunters. He is a trusted and reliable person in that case, which has been proven by his activity on the scam accusation board here over the past few years. I think you also respect the judgement of 'holydarkness' which he makes by looking into the facts and evidence.

[quote=JollyGood on July 14, 2026, 11:09:02 PM]
Was it you that notified AB de Royse777 to create the thread to investigate if the negative tag was justified? If you did not, do you know who did? ~

[/quote]It was 'Little Mouse' who asked him to look into the feedback.

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Jul 15, 2026 03:32

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 14, 2026, 11:09:02 PM
If you wanted 100% impartiality (or as close to it as possible), why did you use the "Contest Hunters" website?
Did you know the Degen campaign manager is behind it?

'Little Mouse' is the owner of ContestHunters, but he doesn't take care of the dispute there. 'holydarkness' work as an independent mediator in ContestHunters. He is a trusted and reliable person in that case, which has been proven by his activity on the scam accusation board here over the past few years. I think you also respect the judgement of 'holydarkness' which he makes by looking into the facts and evidence.

Quote from: JollyGood on July 14, 2026, 11:09:02 PM
Was it you that notified AB de Royse777 to create the thread to investigate if the negative tag was justified? If you did not, do you know who did? ~

It was 'Little Mouse' who asked him to look into the feedback.

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[quote=holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM]
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

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Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

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[quote=degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM]
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.
[/quote]Who? I see a Scam Accusation on Bitcointalk (where you're advertising a signature campaign), not on a commercial third party website, and you decide not to respond here?

Let me quote the third party site without rewarding them with a backlink:
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Your client does not have permission to get URL /disputes/13 from this server.
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[quote=degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM]
As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us
[/quote]Do you even know what "formal" means? There's nothing formal about a commercial third party site!

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we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.
[/quote]You're kidding, right? The spammers who earn from you and shoot the messenger instead of responding to the scam accusation are far from impartial:
[quote=AB de Royse777 on July 13, 2026, 09:07:39 AM]
a business who is spending $6,000 to $8,000 a month on their campaigns with this community
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[quote=degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM]
We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken.
[/quote]Really? Please back up your claim by quoting those comments, because I don't see them (including the title).

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The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds.
[/quote]Strongarming someone into accepting a partial payment doesn't make things right. Giving winners back only their deposit and keeping money from losers is not right.

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Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.
[/quote]How much did you pay this "impartial" party since you came to this forum?

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Jul 15, 2026 07:49

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Quote from: degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM
We have intentionally refrained from responding in this thread while the matter is being handled through the Contest Hunters ADR process.

Who? I see a Scam Accusation on Bitcointalk (where you're advertising a signature campaign), not on a commercial third party website, and you decide not to respond here?

Let me quote the third party site without rewarding them with a backlink:

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Error: Forbidden
Your client does not have permission to get URL /disputes/13 from this server.

Quote from: degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM
As soon as we were notified that a formal case had been opened against us

Do you even know what "formal" means? There's nothing formal about a commercial third party site!

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we responded there and have been providing the mediator with our evidence and a full account of the events. We believe the ADR process is the appropriate place for disputes of this nature, where all evidence can be reviewed impartially, rather than conducting the case across multiple public platforms.

You're kidding, right? The spammers who earn from you and shoot the messenger instead of responding to the scam accusation are far from impartial:

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 13, 2026, 09:07:39 AM
a business who is spending $6,000 to $8,000 a month on their campaigns with this community

Quote from: degencom on July 14, 2026, 08:01:46 PM
We have noticed a number of comments stating or implying that the player's deposits were taken.

Really? Please back up your claim by quoting those comments, because I don't see them (including the title).

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The player was offered a refund of their deposit, accepted it, and successfully withdrew the funds.

Strongarming someone into accepting a partial payment doesn't make things right. Giving winners back only their deposit and keeping money from losers is not right.

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Out of respect for the ongoing mediation, we will keep our detailed submissions within the ADR process and will abide by its outcome.

How much did you pay this "impartial" party since you came to this forum?

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[quote=LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 07:49:25 AM]
Let me quote the third party site without rewarding them with a backlink:
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Your client does not have permission to get URL /disputes/13 from this server.
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  I can access it. 

Apart from that, I understand some of the points you are making but did you miss this?

[quote=holydarkness on July 13, 2026, 06:39:51 PM]
 ContestHunters are run by LM, yes, I think he and some of his friends [be it on the forum or on his personal life] build it and facilitate the platform with dispute resolution page. But, so far, he has not intervene with any of it and give me the freedom as much as I want to prove and piece evidences. Though I haven't ventured around the platform to see what it offers, I'd like to think that dispute department is a separate section, completely run by me, with LM's help to get me acquainted with a contact, suppose they're still not in mine.

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You seem a lot more emotional than usualÂnot thick-skinnedÂ.

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Jul 15, 2026 08:44

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 07:49:25 AM
Let me quote the third party site without rewarding them with a backlink:

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Error: Forbidden
Your client does not have permission to get URL /disputes/13 from this server.

I can access it.

Apart from that, I understand some of the points you are making but did you miss this?

Quote from: holydarkness on July 13, 2026, 06:39:51 PM
ContestHunters are run by LM, yes, I think he and some of his friends [be it on the forum or on his personal life] build it and facilitate the platform with dispute resolution page. But, so far, he has not intervene with any of it and give me the freedom as much as I want to prove and piece evidences. Though I haven't ventured around the platform to see what it offers, I'd like to think that dispute department is a separate section, completely run by me, with LM's help to get me acquainted with a contact, suppose they're still not in mine.

You seem a lot more emotional than usualÂnot thick-skinnedÂ.

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[quote=Free Market Capitalist on July 15, 2026, 08:44:24 AM]
  I can access it.
[/quote]I'm using Tor browser for this.

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did you miss this?
[/quote]I saw holydarkness' post, but still see no reason to move this topic to a third party site.

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You seem a lot more emotional than usualÂnot thick-skinnedÂ.
[/quote]You're the one who's being paid by this site, not me. I don't have skin in the game. What's with the personal attack instead of addressing the scam accusation?

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Jul 15, 2026 09:08

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Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on July 15, 2026, 08:44:24 AM
I can access it.

I'm using Tor browser for this.

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did you miss this?

I saw holydarkness' post, but still see no reason to move this topic to a third party site.

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You seem a lot more emotional than usualÂnot thick-skinnedÂ.

You're the one who's being paid by this site, not me. I don't have skin in the game. What's with the personal attack instead of addressing the scam accusation?

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[quote=LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 09:08:43 AM]
You're the one who's being paid by this site, not me. I don't have skin in the game. What's with the personal attack instead of addressing the scam accusation?

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I am being paid by the site but not for much longer I think. It's not a personal attack, it's an observation, I would think the same if I was wearing another signature or not a signature at all.

You are not always thick-skinned and that's a fact, you also get winded up in some AI-related matters. Maybe that means you are human after all.

About the Scam Accusation, I think it is BS not to pay people their profits because they are value betting or whatever they are calling it. I made money playing poker for a long time precisely by value betting.

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Jul 15, 2026 10:10

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 09:08:43 AM
You're the one who's being paid by this site, not me. I don't have skin in the game. What's with the personal attack instead of addressing the scam accusation?

I am being paid by the site but not for much longer I think. It's not a personal attack, it's an observation, I would think the same if I was wearing another signature or not a signature at all.

You are not always thick-skinned and that's a fact, you also get winded up in some AI-related matters. Maybe that means you are human after all.

About the Scam Accusation, I think it is BS not to pay people their profits because they are value betting or whatever they are calling it. I made money playing poker for a long time precisely by value betting.

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[quote=Free Market Capitalist on July 15, 2026, 10:10:46 AM]

About the Scam Accusation, I think it is BS not to pay people their profits because they are value betting or whatever they are calling it. I made money playing poker for a long time precisely by value betting.

[/quote]It's 100% bullshit. They offer the bet, they took the money, they look for a way not to pay. This community has just accepted whatever a casino says without really pushing back. If a casino doesn't want a players business, pay them and close their account seems like the correct action. 

As I have stated dozens of times in multiple threads, a decent number of accusations in this section are bs, but there are accusations that I deem proper. Value betting IMO is 1 of the accusations I've seen that I disagree with, but the community has accepted it so I haven't tagged casinos using this excuse as scam operations. Maybe that needs to change?

[quote=LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 07:49:25 AM]

[quote=AB de Royse777 on July 13, 2026, 09:07:39 AM]
a business who is spending $6,000 to $8,000 a month on their campaigns with this community
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[/quote]Royse has only ever cared about his pocket, not the community.

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Jul 15, 2026 10:26

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Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on July 15, 2026, 10:10:46 AM
About the Scam Accusation, I think it is BS not to pay people their profits because they are value betting or whatever they are calling it. I made money playing poker for a long time precisely by value betting.

It's 100% bullshit. They offer the bet, they took the money, they look for a way not to pay. This community has just accepted whatever a casino says without really pushing back. If a casino doesn't want a players business, pay them and close their account seems like the correct action.

As I have stated dozens of times in multiple threads, a decent number of accusations in this section are bs, but there are accusations that I deem proper. Value betting IMO is 1 of the accusations I've seen that I disagree with, but the community has accepted it so I haven't tagged casinos using this excuse as scam operations. Maybe that needs to change?

Quote from: LoyceV on July 15, 2026, 07:49:25 AM
Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 13, 2026, 09:07:39 AM
a business who is spending $6,000 to $8,000 a month on their campaigns with this community

Royse has only ever cared about his pocket, not the community.

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[quote=yahoo62278 on July 15, 2026, 10:26:15 AM]
It's 100% bullshit. They offer the bet, they took the money, they look for a way not to pay. This community has just accepted whatever a casino says without really pushing back. If a casino doesn't want a players business, pay them and close their account seems like the correct action. 

[/quote]
And the fact is that even thatÂwhich is an unfair advantage for the houseÂis accepted in sports betting (if they detect that a player is winning a lot, they can close the account, but they still have to pay out whatever the player has won). At least in poker, it has never worked that way.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on July 15, 2026, 10:26:15 AM
It's 100% bullshit. They offer the bet, they took the money, they look for a way not to pay. This community has just accepted whatever a casino says without really pushing back. If a casino doesn't want a players business, pay them and close their account seems like the correct action.

And the fact is that even thatÂwhich is an unfair advantage for the houseÂis accepted in sports betting (if they detect that a player is winning a lot, they can close the account, but they still have to pay out whatever the player has won). At least in poker, it has never worked that way.

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[quote=leparda on July 15, 2026, 07:25:04 AM]
[quote=holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM]
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

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Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

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I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

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Quote from: leparda on July 15, 2026, 07:25:04 AM
Quote from: holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

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[quote=holydarkness on July 15, 2026, 04:14:30 PM]
[quote=leparda on July 15, 2026, 07:25:04 AM]
[quote=holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM]
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

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Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

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I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

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What I'm talking about is that I notified the casino that I would open a dispute on the platforms I know after processing my deposit. Which I did, writing in this section. I'm not saying I'm about to open multiple disputes. That makes no sense, of course. And you yourself recommended posting on ContestHunters in other similar complaints about this casino, which is what I did.

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 15, 2026, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: leparda on July 15, 2026, 07:25:04 AM
Quote from: holydarkness on July 14, 2026, 07:59:14 PM
Expediting the case resolution successful, as can be witnessed, the casino has replied on CH very recently. OP, can you confirm that you withdraw the initial deposit that they returned?

Yes, I received the deposit back even before filing the complaint. I did state that I accepted the casino's offer to return the deposit, but I also gave notice that I would subsequently open a dispute on the platforms known to me. In my view, this does not change the essence of the matter at all. I agreed to the return of a portion of my money, not to the casino's resolution of the issue. And importantly, I made this context clear right from the start in our correspondence.

I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

What I'm talking about is that I notified the casino that I would open a dispute on the platforms I know after processing my deposit. Which I did, writing in this section. I'm not saying I'm about to open multiple disputes. That makes no sense, of course. And you yourself recommended posting on ContestHunters in other similar complaints about this casino, which is what I did.

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[quote=leparda on July 15, 2026, 06:10:45 PM]
[quote=holydarkness on July 15, 2026, 04:14:30 PM]
I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

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What I'm talking about is that I notified the casino that I would open a dispute on the platforms I know after processing my deposit. Which I did, writing in this section. I'm not saying I'm about to open multiple disputes. That makes no sense, of course. And you yourself recommended posting on ContestHunters in other similar complaints about this casino, which is what I did.

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I see and duly noted.

This shall be the beginning of the binding mediation on CH, where the verdict shall be honored by all the parties involved. I'll begin reading and inspecting the materials they provided. Please wait a little.

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Quote from: leparda on July 15, 2026, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: holydarkness on July 15, 2026, 04:14:30 PM
I will stop right here, before I spend my time reading their counter-evidence, cross-referencing things, and do all that I need to do to get a verdict on CH if your intention is to open dispute on the platforms [plural] that you know. I don't want to waste my time and risking a migraine to make a call that will only resulted in you moving to other ADR, then to other, then to other, until one says you're the right one.

So, if the verdict on ContestHunters will not be binding to you and you already planned to go into platforms known to you until you get a win, please spare me the time and say it right now before I scrutinize details given by Degen, so I can remove those evidence from my device and mark your case as rejected on CH, safe us all a lot of time and energy.

What I'm talking about is that I notified the casino that I would open a dispute on the platforms I know after processing my deposit. Which I did, writing in this section. I'm not saying I'm about to open multiple disputes. That makes no sense, of course. And you yourself recommended posting on ContestHunters in other similar complaints about this casino, which is what I did.

I see and duly noted.

This shall be the beginning of the binding mediation on CH, where the verdict shall be honored by all the parties involved. I'll begin reading and inspecting the materials they provided. Please wait a little.

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[quote=rohang on July 13, 2026, 07:37:24 PM]
[quote=holydarkness on July 13, 2026, 05:18:01 PM]
[quote=rohang on July 13, 2026, 11:36:20 AM]
So whatever lines we win on can be termed as 'weak' and they will easily confiscate both deposit +winnings ??

This is some absolute BS happening on these new sites.

We dont see these type of things happen ever on sites like stake,shuffle etc. No wonder they are the industry leaders now.

Pretty obvious these new books dont want to payout any winnings and just there to take in deposits. Disgusting behaviour

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Actually... "sites like Stake, shuffle, etc." uhh, Stake doesn't respond to scam accusation on this forum anymore, so pretty much all of the complaint against them, it's "we've made a call, and everyone shall obey." This is especially true to another big industry-leader casino like Betcoin who dismisses cases with response that does not open to negotiation or a room to wiggle for a mutual-understanding, of which... arguably understandable from an industry leader casino like Betcoin who have one of the cleanest record on my list. They buit their reputation not only from being here for more than a decade, but also from being casino who can prove that they're the one being wronged and the player tried to cheat them.

But I observed other casino, that's on a speed-track to "industry leader casino" through big promo on the forum, also attempted to do the same method to dismiss matter, "You do this, we have evidence for it, no, it's not for debate, end of discussion," thinking that [I strongly assume] birthed from their thought that huge marketing presence on the forum only is enough to dismiss cases without providing their own counter evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

So... yeah, these type of things happen ever on big sites because they dismiss without bothering to convince the forum, due to their big name and long-standing reputation. Question is, do same benefit-of-doubt and taking-word-at-face-value applied the same to a relatively new casino just because they hold massive marketing promo and freebies on the forum? Hold sig. campaign managed by big name?

Sorry for going OOT, just showing that reputation and benefit of doubts should not be given just because they're industry leader [or hold many promos], it should be earned through time of cooperating with each complaint and being transparent... until their words can be taken for granted.

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To be fair i havent seen the 'player bet on weak line' argument before, either from stake/shuffle or anyone else

Looks like a new betby thing maybe?

Perhaps the newer sites like degen etc dont have dedicated sports risk analysis/sports head honchos yet who have the knowledge and authority to over ride betby call

Now i think about it, its more likely to me its betby and casinos just going with it.
 

[/quote]Weak line is the exact same thing as a value bet.

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Quote from: rohang on July 13, 2026, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: holydarkness on July 13, 2026, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: rohang on July 13, 2026, 11:36:20 AM
So whatever lines we win on can be termed as 'weak' and they will easily confiscate both deposit +winnings ??

This is some absolute BS happening on these new sites.

We dont see these type of things happen ever on sites like stake,shuffle etc. No wonder they are the industry leaders now.

Pretty obvious these new books dont want to payout any winnings and just there to take in deposits. Disgusting behaviour

Actually... "sites like Stake, shuffle, etc." uhh, Stake doesn't respond to scam accusation on this forum anymore, so pretty much all of the complaint against them, it's "we've made a call, and everyone shall obey." This is especially true to another big industry-leader casino like Betcoin who dismisses cases with response that does not open to negotiation or a room to wiggle for a mutual-understanding, of which... arguably understandable from an industry leader casino like Betcoin who have one of the cleanest record on my list. They buit their reputation not only from being here for more than a decade, but also from being casino who can prove that they're the one being wronged and the player tried to cheat them.

But I observed other casino, that's on a speed-track to "industry leader casino" through big promo on the forum, also attempted to do the same method to dismiss matter, "You do this, we have evidence for it, no, it's not for debate, end of discussion," thinking that [I strongly assume] birthed from their thought that huge marketing presence on the forum only is enough to dismiss cases without providing their own counter evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

So... yeah, these type of things happen ever on big sites because they dismiss without bothering to convince the forum, due to their big name and long-standing reputation. Question is, do same benefit-of-doubt and taking-word-at-face-value applied the same to a relatively new casino just because they hold massive marketing promo and freebies on the forum? Hold sig. campaign managed by big name?

Sorry for going OOT, just showing that reputation and benefit of doubts should not be given just because they're industry leader [or hold many promos], it should be earned through time of cooperating with each complaint and being transparent... until their words can be taken for granted.

To be fair i havent seen the 'player bet on weak line' argument before, either from stake/shuffle or anyone else

Looks like a new betby thing maybe?

Perhaps the newer sites like degen etc dont have dedicated sports risk analysis/sports head honchos yet who have the knowledge and authority to over ride betby call

Now i think about it, its more likely to me its betby and casinos just going with it.

Weak line is the exact same thing as a value bet.

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